Date: 2007-02-07 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
Even if I agree with some of her points, she is bigotted and offensive in the extreme, not to mention an appalling shock jock style journo. People like her and Julie Bindell is why I won't read the Guardian anymore

She includes essential oils, I see, you know, those healing herbs acknowledged by scientists, doctors and the like to be very god for you, have healing properties etc...

She's speaking out of her arse

Date: 2007-02-07 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Oils aren't always very good for you.

Plus some of these oils and the claims that they make (if I recall) do not have to be medically proven, which worries me somewhat.

I enjoyed it as a rant against something (Horoscopes) that really, to me, is ridiculous. Yes, she strays from the point and isn't exactly subtle; but taken with a dose of salt things like this can be a shake on the shoulders and a call back to reality.

personally I'm running out of papers to read anymore, I may end up going back to The Beano at this rate.

Date: 2007-02-07 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
No, but NOTHING is always very good for you. I mean, people can be allergic to penicillin, commit suicide from anti-depressants etc.

Like with anything, you need to know what you are doing - I'm not advocating stupidity or ignorance

Horoscopes I find ridiculous too (but then I'm a Libran, we never believe in them *grin*), IF such a thing were to have an effect on us, it seems to me that the time of conception would be far more relevant? I mean, we do know that the time of year and day you were born will affect you, but that's more to do with heat, likely complications during birth, sensations and experiences of the first few months etc.

I read the Independant when I read anything - the Guardian used to be good, but anyone that allows Julie Bindell column space just isn't worth reading

Date: 2007-02-07 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
Do you mean Julie Burchill?

Date: 2007-02-07 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
Ah, I didn't realise there were two Julie B...l's! This is because I seldom read the Guardian. (Why did I ask then? Who knows)

Date: 2007-02-07 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Oh so true about nothing ever being very good for you; my dentist today told me to stop drinking so much orange juice! My one healthy vice, dammit.

I have no objection to the placebo effect, I remember a fantastic line from the Simpsons

Crowd: We need a cure! We need a cure!
Hibbert: Ho ho ho. Why, the only cure is bedrest. Anything I give you would be a placebo.
Crowd: [frantic] Where can we get these placebos?


What I do object to is that the aromatherapy cures etc seem to bypass medical tests and regulations that "standard" drugs have to pass.

I salute you for your opinions on Horoscopes; but alas I've not read anything else by Julie Bindell before so for me this was an isolated rant that I caught much in the same light as Denis Leary.

Date: 2007-02-07 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feanelwa.livejournal.com
! the orange juice, when you eat all that sugar! I suppose it's rather acidic.

Date: 2007-02-07 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
That was his explanation, more than half a glass of orange juice a day (or coke or other similar acidic substance) is bad for your teeth and wears them down.

Bah humbug.

Date: 2007-02-07 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duncanneko.livejournal.com
Half a glass! Damn, so half a carton a day is probably pushing it then?

Is it actually possible to eat 'healthy' any more these days? I'm beginning to suspect not. Then again, I'm also beginning to suspect that most of the nutrition advice is biased one way or another anyway, so tend to ignore most of it.

Date: 2007-02-07 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sea-of-flame.livejournal.com
Probably the answer is to drink it with meals, and brush immediately afterwards, rather than sipping throughout the day - it's the repeated bathing of teeth with acid (with nothing cleaning the acid off afterwards) that's problematic.

Kids continously slurping juice from bottles/toddler-cups is considered bad for the same reason...

Date: 2007-02-07 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
My dentist actually told me to brush before rather than after drinking OJ (Mint and orange, joy) as the acid weakens the teeth. Bleh.

Date: 2007-02-08 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akcipitrokulo.livejournal.com
I was under the impression that it's bad to brush *immediately* afterwards as enamel is a little softer, and if you drin through a straw, the essects are reduced because the drink is directed away from your teeth.

Date: 2007-02-08 03:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
The straw is an interesting idea...

Date: 2007-02-07 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
I know what you mean, especially now I've started drinking Minute Maid mmmmmm.

I've frankly given up listening to most of this advice.

I try to be a bit more sensible these days, take my vitamin pill and get regular exercise which seems to be a lot more than most people seem to do ;)

Date: 2007-02-07 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colfu.livejournal.com
so what this 2nd article is sayikng, is that if you use tee tree and lavender lotion on your chest, your breasts will get bigger?

we could make a fortune

Date: 2007-02-07 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Only if you're a young bloke apparently, although if the fashion industry catches on we could face a whole new craze for 'Moobs'

Date: 2007-02-07 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diasporal-waves.livejournal.com
"She includes essential oils, I see, you know, those healing herbs acknowledged by scientists, doctors and the like to be very god for you, have healing properties etc..."

Do you have a link or paper this was published in please? As far as I know all the essential oils and herbal remedies do is relax you or at best a placebo effect. I (personally) would doubt and doctor or scientist (I am a biologist) who said that "they have healing properties". I would love to be proved wrong if they have evidence...

Date: 2007-02-07 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] valkyriekaren.livejournal.com
Aspirin's a herbal remedy.

Well, not these days, it's synthesised now, but it comes from tree bark originally. So does quinine, which is an anti-malarial.

Now, I personally think a lot of 'alternative' or complementary medicine is bunk, but I also know that a lot of the atcive ingredients in modern medicines were dervied from plants in the first place. It doesn't necessarily follow that eating the plant is better for you than popping the pill, but you can't really say 'herbal remedies only have a placebo effect' in that case, can you?

Date: 2007-02-07 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diasporal-waves.livejournal.com
I know about the aspirin (from willow?) but honestly I think that MOST of the herbal remedies is bunk (I should have put "most" first time, soz). Without an active ingredient then it is effectively useless, but I have not seen any research into these remedies for any active ingredient, which is what I was asking for.

Date: 2007-02-07 03:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattp.livejournal.com
Whilst I agree with some of the points, I'd handle the horroscope advocates slightly differently. When they ask me what sign I am I'd reply "Surely you can deduce that from my behaviour?".

I forget the details of the study I once read, but apparantly blind tests have been done asking astrologists to "ascertain" star signs of subjects based on personality profiles. The success rate was 1/12.

Date: 2007-02-07 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Heh, thanks for that one; shame you can't recall where the study was from - I'd like to read it.

Date: 2007-02-07 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diasporal-waves.livejournal.com
Mind you, acupuncture does work...








...have you ever seen a sick hedgehog?

Date: 2007-02-07 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
I'd rather see a

baby hedgehog!

Date: 2007-02-07 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diasporal-waves.livejournal.com
Wrap in clay
Chuck in fire
Wait...
Peel off clay takes off the spines
Through through window of Lidl
Steal food and White Lightning

Date: 2007-02-08 01:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] akcipitrokulo.livejournal.com
thank you :)

I usually respond to questions like "what sign are you?" with "I don't admit to having one."

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