Warning, opinions follow

[robinbloke]

Right, read the above please before moaning ;) all the following is my own opinion and not meant to directly trample on your own personal Zen, if you do carry on and read this then it's your own fault if I mess with your mojo so no feedback for that please!

But, here I go... as regards to religion and belief anyway, my refuting of most mainstream religions (and from that just about anything else through cynacism).

Anyway, enough waffle and whatnot, all I really wanted to talk about was the fairly old debate of free will vs. Omniscience, of which the former we are said to have been granted and the latter God is said to possess.
I'm firmly of the belief that the two cannot exist simultaneously.
Since Omniscience is the the state of being omniscient; iehaving infinite knowledge, which includes knowing what everyone will choose or do in a given situation and also the ultimate fate and result of everything ever free will, which to me is the freedom or ability to choose; if what you choose is already known, then it is pre-ordained, if it is pre-ordained then you have no choice, what you will do at that point is set and you do not actually choose, you are at that point simply a set program of choices following a preknown path - freewill does not exist.
Ergo, any religion that says that God is Omniscient and that free will exists is, to me, fundamentally flawed and in my opinion, rather sadly deluded.
And on the loving us/beauty/world is wonderful vs. world is terrible view, for every flower theres a clip of ammo, so I don't buy that one either.

Hmmm... going to stop there

Comments

[jonnyargles.livejournal.com]

Ah, but in a truly non-spiritual world then we are nothing more than complex versions of Newton's pendulum, and every action or thought we take is destined and can be predicted

[robinbloke.livejournal.com]

Well I never really got into the full depth of quantum, but essentially - yes, you are correct as I understand it, but due to the nature of it all the systems involved are all so astronomically complicated that in essence although our brains could be mapped and predicted like a state machine current thinking suggests all that we can actually do is define probability curves for actions involved, rather than actual actions

Or something like that

Determinism versus Quantum Causality

[jonnyargles.livejournal.com]

At the end of the day, as long as we THINK we've got free will, then that's good enough for me. EOS.