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I just realised something (It's taken a while)

Life is about trying to understand people.
Life is also about realising that sometimes you can't.

And also....

Date: 2002-01-07 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teknostatik.livejournal.com
But life is also about trying to understand yourself, which can be trickier, but is often a pre requesite to understanding other people.

Re: And also....

Date: 2002-01-07 01:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
I hear you there, even starting understanding the understanding so to speak gets confusion, what do you understand first?
I'm going back to maths, life is going to be entirely classified in logical puzzles. That way at least I know theres an equatable solution that is explainable, with working in the margins for extra marks.

Re: And also....

Date: 2002-01-07 01:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teknostatik.livejournal.com
First you need to understand the difference between yourself and other people. To look into the mirror and disregard those bits that are merely someone else's thoughts and ideas being reflected back at you. What is left is yourself, and that's what you need to use as a filter when trying to understand others; working out where they fit in your reality, or if they even fit at all.

And yes, it is horribly confusing, which is why most people don't think this deeply about anything.

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Date: 2002-01-07 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
But thought is one of the fundamentals of what and who we are, if we can't understand that or use it effectively we're not applying ourselves anywhere near where we should.
Understanding thought, I would think is a key to understanding yourself, but is that a step to a different kind of understanding? Rather than understanding yourself are you understanding the processes that make yourself?

Good note on the mirror and what you are yourself there, I'd not thought of things in that way before, although maybe similarly a little here and there.

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teknostatik.livejournal.com
I have the feeling though, that most people don't apply themselves, do everything they can to run away from the thoughts that they find in some way uncomfortable or even dangerous. But these are the thoughts that define us, the parts of us that are sufficiently different to other people to warrant our status as unique beings.

If we can't accept our own thoughts as being part of us, how can we expect other people to accept us on any level?

Re: And also....

Date: 2002-01-07 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Because, as you say, most people don't apply themselves, don't look inside and examine their thoughts and therefore don't expect (or understand if) other people do.
As you also say, it can give a lot of self-understanding, but it can lead to a lot of false ends, in understanding your thoughts there will be a lot of static that although perhaps interesting may not form a significant part of your mindset, but if you start examining it and trying to understand it you give a greater part of your mind to that way of thought or idea, because you learn about it or understand it more.
So perhaps ironically I think, introspection actually can change who you are when you actually attempt to find out about yourself, but the time you understand something you're not the person who started examining the idea or thought in the first place.

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teknostatik.livejournal.com
So true. And something I've been thinking a lot about right now.

But do you think you become a more complete person for the introspection, or do you lose a certain something by defining things that were maybe never meant to be defined?

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherbetsaucers.livejournal.com
Lets go for the good old, "True wisdom comes from knowing that you know nothing".

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherbetsaucers.livejournal.com
Hey, seeing as I'm in a quoteing mood, lets go for a cool one, though I might not get it exactly right...

By useing bronze as a mirror you can adjuust your hat and clothes.
By useing histroy as a mirror you can know the rise and fall of empires.
By useing man a s a mirror you can know your virtues and srrors


I *think* that's Tai Cong, or Li Bo. Someone from the Tang dinisty.

Re: And also....

Date: 2002-01-07 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teknostatik.livejournal.com
Yes, I've read that one somewhere too, and was struck by the fundemental truth of it. I've found out so much about myself through talkng to other people. The sort of conversations where they just nod and let you ramble on until you realise you've pinned down thoughts that have been floating around for years. It's great.

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Date: 2002-01-07 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherbetsaucers.livejournal.com
What the hell are sorrs? That supposed to be errors! God, I'm a bit dense! I've always seen that more of a case of observing others, and seeing your self reflected in there actions and deeds.

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherbetsaucers.livejournal.com
And yes, it is horribly confusing, which is why most people don't think this deeply about anything

Perhaps there content. Perhaps they have no need to. Perhaps they have come to self realisation and enlightenment. Perhaps they have discovered the essence of the Tao. Perhaps they don't feel like they need to try and understand what many would consider something which is impossiable to understand. Perhaps they do think this deeply, we just don't notice. Perhaps they have traveled full circle, as in Zen belief.

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teknostatik.livejournal.com
Perhaps.

I just have a burning need to question everything, and make everything question itself.

Losing the need to understand is not something I'm any where near losing....not sure I want to.

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherbetsaucers.livejournal.com
That's cool. However, first you have to work out if a question truely exists, then you have to work out if an answer can truely be found. Normally the answer is no. Which is cool.

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teknostatik.livejournal.com
This is something I need to accept sometimes.

Thank you . :-)

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Date: 2002-01-07 03:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
Contentment is a horrid, static state that I hope never to achieve. If I achieved it, I'd have nothing left to do except probably off myself in a bizarre way to leave unanswered questions. That way, at least, I'd either not have to worry about anything or I'd have a whole new set of challenges to encounter.

But, yeah, just because people don't talk about stuff like this doesn't mean that they don't think about it -- but introspection without the benefit of talking or writing about it is often flawed, I find, as you get too wrapped up in the puzzle to see the answer.

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Date: 2002-01-07 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherbetsaucers.livejournal.com
Contentment is a horrid, static state that I hope never to achieve

This statement makes no sense. The second part admits that you have never achieved it, and are therfor unable to comment on how it feels, and yet the first part describes how it feels. Don't knock it untill you've tried it. but, if the term is upsetting you, perhaps enlightnment would sit with you better?

but introspection without the benefit of talking or writing about it is often flawed

Think it depends on cirtin things. After all descart gave us one of the most famous philosophical statements, "I think, therfor I am", after shutting himself away from everyone. Depends what your trying to discover. Personally I think that introsepction without observing the outside woruld is a bad idea, hence my earlier mirror quote.

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Date: 2002-01-07 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raggedhalo.livejournal.com
I've experienced it fleetingly, but to clarify:
The concept of contentment/perfection represents to me an end to struggling and strife, things which I consider fundamental to the way I am.
Plus, I have a good imagination.
Enlightenment as self-comprehension I can sort of see, but, again, once you understand yourself you understand the world cos the world's based on your perception of it.Thus, there's nothing left to understand...which'd suck.

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonnyargles.livejournal.com
'Logical puzzles'

Derek is not the murderer on the left.

Nigel used the brothel next to the one Cynthia lived in.

Neither Mohammed not Dharmash are traffic wardens.

I used to love doing those things.

Zen puzzle

Date: 2002-01-07 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Joe and Nigel are both related.
Liam is Toms cousin.
Paul is Nigels brother
Sue is Joes best friend.
Tom is Nigels dad.
Who are you?

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonnyargles.livejournal.com


Paul - Nigel

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Date: 2002-01-07 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonnyargles.livejournal.com
Joe? -Joe? Sue.
¦ ¦
Tom Liam
¦
Paul - Nigel

Me.

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