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The average brain contains 100 billion neurons, each linked to 10,000 other neurons; this gives an initial possibile start pathing of 1,000,000,000,000,000 (1,000,000 billion (US) options) Ie 10^15. Now a thought is more than a single logical leap, so we'll say it's at least 5 distinct pathway leaps to determine a thought which then after that seeds an idea in that crazy mush we call a brain. So that gives 10^75 possible original ideas, thoughts and concepts that mankind can actually conceptualise.

Interestingly the total number of stars in the universe is estimated to be 400 billion x 130 billion or 52,000*10^18. Pretty damn small in comparison. And if we assume (useful word) that each of these stars has around it has an average billion or so unique things about it that still only gives us 5.2x10^27 different things in the universe available for us to discover.

This is, as far as I'm concerned, a welcome thought (possibly an original one, I can but hope) - that humanity has the possibility of conceiving (not necessarily creating mind you) of more things than exist in the universe. Neato! Plenty more sci-fi books for eons to come!

Anyway.

Average life expectancy before the health transition of the modern era is thought to have varied between about 20 years and 35 years, however there are now more people living in the world than have ever lived before and I could rattle on endlessly about statistics about how long people could live, so for purposes of this highly accurate prediction everyone has 35 years to live and thats it, mainly because I don't want to have statistically died already dammit.

In these thirty five years you're going to need a bit of programming by parents/machines/sugar/wolves in order to get your brain working so we'll give the average human until 5 years old to get the hang of this whole existence lark, so that's thirty years of productive thinking life, use them well boys and girls.

Now, your average human is a usually a creative sort, given to doodling in margins of their maths book/rock/wall/etc and using the old folk saying that "you learn something new every day" as a basis for these calculations we'll say every human that's ever lived from mammoth hunters to lawyers has one original thought a day. This gives them 365.25x30 original thoughts in their entire life; or about 11 thousand near as dammit (10957.5 for you pedants). Right, even more numbers and statistics, perhaps this will get somewhere.

There have been appoximately 96,100,000,000 people on the earth. I.e. 9.6x10^10 people having existed. Now I'm sure fish, dogs, squirrels and other creatures can also have original thoughts but as far as I'm concerned if they want to know the answer to this question they can work it out themselves, this is a humanity only thing, damn their eyes.

This gives us a total of 9.6x10^15 different concepts that have already been thought of, which barely even dents the 10x10^75 actual ideas available to us. Ideas that could include, air cooled doughnuts, self replicating cat litter, tyre-proof hedgehogs and hangover free alcohol!

Come on people! You're not even trying!!


Disclaimer
Firstly as most of the places I use here are US sites my billion will be a little billion, ie 10^9.
Secondly all my quoted facts come from (usually) the first hit on the internet or if I can, Wikipedia. Thus since everything on the internet is true all the data I have is also true.

Date: 2007-04-30 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ev1ldonut.livejournal.com
This might interest you...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6600965.stm

Are you coming to visit at the weekend? :)

Date: 2007-04-30 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
They're up to mouse brains now? Fantastic! :D

I am hoping to come up for Saturday if I could blag some crash space and, erm, directions? I'll bring some games like Penguin Pileup and a "few" bottles of vodka.

Date: 2007-04-30 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
"however there are now more people living in the world than have ever lived before" no, there are not. This was somethine a poet said (William Matthews), and has been quoted as fact ever since.

If you think about it, it can't possible be true.

Date: 2007-04-30 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
A post like this is a red rag to a bull sometimes!

I just needed as many excuses as possible to get that live expectancy past my age ;)

Date: 2007-04-30 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
sorry! The highest estimate i have found is 9% of the people who have ever lived are alive today

I can't STAND misquotes like that

Date: 2007-04-30 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
by the way, it can never be true - unless there is a sudden massive population explosion over night, it can't happen

Date: 2007-04-30 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
9%? Not a whole lot; then again I should have worked it out from the 'number of people there have ever been alive' statistic I quoted!

The one that annoys me is saying you need to drink 8 glasses of water a day.

Date: 2007-04-30 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faerierhona.livejournal.com
That one winds me up for many reasons

1. What size glass
2. Why does that not take location/ exercise/ fitness into consideration?
3. You don't "need" to, it's just better to drink approximately 2 litres of water a day

Date: 2007-04-30 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
/me nods. "It's one of those mindlessly and endlessly quoted things that I didn't think about before using it."

Date: 2007-04-30 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Allegedly it was started by a water salesman, but then hey, that's a random unsubstantiated quote as well ;)

Date: 2007-04-30 03:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gerald_duck
Why do you assume only a billion unique things around each star? How closely are you looking? How many unique things do you credit Earth with, let alone our solar system?

Amusingly, the figures for how many people have ever lived are a handy weapon against people who claim we all have to die some day. Actually, on current showing at most 95% of people die. (-8

Date: 2007-04-30 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Given that I don't have any statistical data about the uniqueness of solar systems I decided to pluck a fairly large number out of the air and just use it; but even so the value has to be pretty high in order to content with the ol' brain.

Date: 2007-04-30 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_catharine_/
Hooray for Order of Magnitude physics!

You're assuming each person's brain is capable of the same 10^75 possible ideas?

Date: 2007-04-30 05:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
I'm generalising everyones brain into the same 10^15 sided dice, otherwise this gets a hell of a lot more dull ;)

Date: 2007-04-30 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_catharine_/
I'm imagining how well rounded 10^15 -sided dice would look, then imagining some jolly deity figure with a beard sitting on a cloud rolling people's severed heads around to determine what will happen...

Date: 2007-04-30 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Heh heh. Now, I wonder how *big* a 10^15 sided dice would have to be!

Date: 2007-04-30 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ev1ldonut.livejournal.com
Sure, we can find you somewhere to crash, no problem. :)

We've got directions already somewhere in a nice convenient web page... I'll find it before Friday and let you have the link. :)

Date: 2007-04-30 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_catharine_/
If each face consists of at least 3 atoms, say....
...
...93m diameter?

Date: 2007-04-30 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Well each face is going to have to contain enough atoms to uniquely identify a 10^15 digit number!
2^50 is 1,125,899,906,842,624 so if we use atoms like binary we'd need 50 of them a side ;) Unless we start using different types of atoms in the dice to indicate different numbers....

Date: 2007-04-30 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_catharine_/
Can't we just write the numbers on the faces with a big fat marker pen?!

Date: 2007-05-03 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drpyrojames.livejournal.com
I count only about 10 unique things in the unvierse. All the rest of the stuff is just made up. ;)

proton
neutron
electron
quark
photon
err...

I am sure there were more when I started.

Gravitron? Or am I in sci-fi now?

Date: 2007-05-03 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com
Don't forget the bureautron, which makes all the other particles heavy and useless.

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