For those that know

[robinbloke]

My prior thoughts


Re: White wolfs letter to the (our) organisation (The Camarilla)

Bad.

Basically they seem to be saying "We can't get our way so we're taking our ball with us"
* They have no experience of running the Cam
* They want the membership list to do with what they will, hello? Data protection act?
* A lot of people will be very pissed off with this and possibly quit, especially the BoD who've put a lot in to only have WW say "sorry, sod off"
* They want to run it how they want, not how the members want - not good
* "We don't charge you for the license" well thats because we're not going to pay you to play your games we've already bought you loonies
* They don't understand the commitment the society has, we don't get paid for doing this! People can't get paid for doing this, it doesn't work as a business and they're treating it like one; people do this for free!
* "The board members don't trust WW"? well certainly not, you've just proven that by saying you sack them all, can they even do they WE run the organisation not WW; that is a dictatorship - this is OUR fan club for YOUR games, yes we our YOUR official game but WE do the work dammit.

I say we take their "official game" sticker and ram it up their [censored] then change the name of the organisation (as we were doing anyway) change documents as we need to conform to their trademark laws (which meant we couldn't duplicate published material anyway!) and carry on as the cam mk.2, and see what they say then.

Stuff 'em


But take ten seconds...

Thats better

Knee jerk reaction; if the games keep going - what the hell... See above post I stole from JA, much more sensibly written than my rant, for shame.

Comments

[karohemd.livejournal.com]

My first reaction last night was similar to yours, hence my wanting to burn my First Ed, first print run Changeling: The Dreaming book, signed by Mike Tinney (who ran a brilliant demo game at the German release at STARD 'whatever year that was, 94? in Frankfurt). I think a bit different now.

The membership list thing will apply to the US only, anyway (DPA in the UK).

As I said on UKG last night, do we need WW? They can't prevent us from running games and the name will change, anyway.

I don't think this will change anything in the way the chronicle and individual games are run.

And, if they give the 20% discount to everybody and extend existing memberships to 2004, cool.

But let's wait and see.

This could be good

[ex-grimjim.livejournal.com]

Lets face it, the BOD and current organisation have only hindered games, not helped, and have consistently failed to deliver value, or on time.

Closer cooperation with White Wolf could mean all sorts of cool things happening and its a great opportunity to rethink everything and change the way we're organised.

If its a choice between two unelected head honchos, I'll go with the ones that want my money and therefore have a vested interest in pleasing me :)

Re: This could be good

[robinbloke.livejournal.com]

Indeedy, once I removed my 'rant' head and had firmly attached my 'think' head it could indeed be quite good, it could of course be really bad as well, but hey, we're only affiliated to the US game anyway and as mentioned by several people if the WW folks start running stuff and do official PR and whatnot then it could be the best thing thats happened to the cam so far.

Wait and see I suspect...

Re: This could be good

[karohemd.livejournal.com]

Erm, currently the Cam UK isn't even offically affiliated. That was supposed to be done as soon as the legal status of the Cam UK was to be decided.
I guess these things will soon be thought over again.

Typically for a US org/company, however, WW hasn't mentioned anything specific about the Cam outside the US. Their statement is also not clear regarding whether this is the Cam as a whole (all member countries) or just the US.